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Andrid
Wordy Bastard
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 Posted - 01/24/2004 : 23:49:12
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grrr.......jewish never said that word again i can never forgive them what they have done
I'm Jewish, and i can't just let a comment like this just sit... it's grammaticaly incorrect ;p.
please keep this thread unlocked, as long as these rules are followed (if it's ok with you)
1) No flaming, keep talking civil
2) Links to site must follow these rules:
-Can’t flame. They can't be terrorist run sites.
-Cannot have gore/ pictures of terrorists
some links:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/vie/viepoltoc.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/index.html
just a couple of links..to the same thing, but different parts of it.
first a joke:
3 men are in a boiling pot. a British, an American, and an Israeli.
The cannibalistic tribe that caught them is about to boil them, but first they give them any last wishes. The British man asks for a cup of tea. The leader gives it to him. The American asks for a good Cuban cigar. He gets it. The Israeli asks to be kicked. The leader doesn’t agree, but finally kicks the Israeli. The Israeli proceeds to pull out an Uzi and shoot all the cannibals. The American asks him “why did you not shoot them before this?” and the Israeli replies “what? And be called an aggressor by the UN? It’s ok I’ll leave that to them.”
Sorry about any misspellings, I’m trying to rush these because it's 9:30 and I’m hungry.
"In Israel, free men and women are every day demonstrating the power of courage and faith. back in 1948 when Israel was founded, pundits claimed the new country could never survive. Today, no one questions that Israel is a land of stability and democracy in a reign of tyranny and unrest."
-Ronald Reagan
“The survival of Israel is not just a political issue, it is a moral imperative. That is my deeply held belief and it is the belief that is shared by the vast majority of American people…A strong secure Israel is not just in Israel’s interest, it’s in the interest of the United States and in the interest of the entire free world”
-Jimmy Carter
“Americans admire a people who can scratch a desert and produce a garden. The Israelis have shown qualities that Americans identify with: guts, patriotism, idealism, a passion for freedom. I have seen it. I know. I believe that.”
-Richard M. Nixon
“Israel was not created in order to disappear—Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and home of the brave. It can be neither broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom.” –John F. Kennedy
o yea and for all the tree huggers:
Israel is the only country that has had a growth in amount of trees going into the 21st century.
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Krusty
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 00:01:23
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I'm begining to doubt that racism can be discussed in a civil way here. There's one or two bad apples that ruin it.
Then again, I think it's pretty darn difficult to discuss racism in any forum in which there are people of different races. Everyone tends to take offense too easily.
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Slayer_Allen
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 01:38:29
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Granted all that about Israel may be true, but a nation founded on religion does not seem to be the greatest idea to me.
Especially when founding said nation required the booting of X number of people from their homes. Just one bad decision made by the "Wester world" in a long train of bad decisions regarding the Middle East.
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binker
Tribes Geek
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 09:44:52
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Sorry I F**ked up the last one...
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Andrid
Wordy Bastard
692 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2004 : 13:48:59
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Granted all that about Israel may be true, but a nation founded on religion does not seem to be the greatest idea to me
israel is founded on religion, but it also gives freedom of religion. the religious founding only pretains to some national holidays in which the stores have to be closed, and there is no school (sort of like christmas, only the chinese stores are also closed). also one day a year you can't drive ANY cars. this is the holiest day of the year in the jewish religion. israel might be based on a religion, but if you wish not to be that religion, then you can live a life almost like you would in america.
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Especially when founding said nation required the booting of X number of people from their homes. Just one bad decision made by the "Western world" in a long train of bad decisions regarding the Middle East.
first of all, all the people that were "booted" from their homes could have gone to any of the 21 arab nations that have 800 times more landspace. these nations won't let them though so that they have propaganda. if these people were to be let back into israel, then the palestinian to jewish ratio would quickly plummet.
also if jews are booting out and destroying palestinian homes, then why is it that the number of jews in in other nations has gone down?
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/arabjewtoc.html
at the top of each one you see a number of jews living in that country in 1948, and a number in 2000. of course some of the jews moved to israel out of their own free will (aka because they hated being discriminated against). but why can't the palestinian refugees i talked about at the top do the same?
also israel is the only nation in the middle east to make honor killings a first degree murder crime. honor killings is where you kill your wife/sister/daughter because -you think- she slept with a man that she wasn't supposed to sleep with. also in israel being gay is legal. in arab countries if you're gay, you will be killed.
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Andrid
Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 13:50:44
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you might be thinking: "why should we believe the israeli numbers, just go to an arab site and they will say the exact opposite".
you should believe them because those are the numbers the US believe in. why do you think that they are with israel not with the arabs?
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UnderOath
Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 13:58:59
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I would hate to get into this discussiong because whatever I would say would be out of ignorance, so I will not discuss the main topic.
But wasnt the USA founded on religion, and I think its run pretty well.
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Andrid
Wordy Bastard
692 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2004 : 14:09:52
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But wasnt the USA founded on religion, and I think its run pretty well.
it was founded on religion, but it also says that religion and state are not one. so yes and no.
also for the refugee problem, another page that is written better than i can write about it
http://masada2000.org/RefugeeScam.html
and another great site: http://masada2000.org/
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Slayer_Allen
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 16:32:09
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You say the displaced people should be able to just move do a different nation.
I say why should they have too?
And I would tend to disagree with your statement about the US Underoath. But they are the biggest, so nobody gets to say anything.
And I don't know so much about the specifics of this subject either, but there needs to be a neutral third patrty in the discussion or else it will just break down into Andrid vs MoW, lol.
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Master of world
Official Forum *****
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 17:58:47
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Our people have been living in Palestine the same number years as israel around 2,500 yrs i believe we werent muslims yet but we were arabs nonetheless we have the same rights as living in Palestine as you guys your people have humiliated us and the numbers relased on the number of palestines killed since 1948 is wrong secondly we have our third holiest site in the muslim world Al-Aqsa
the whole reason that the intafadia started the fightin between the palestians and the jewsih began is because Prime Minister Ariel Sharahon brought his army to the Al-aqsa with his army and tried to over take the al-aqsa compound and the Al-Aqsa,Mecca Mosque,Medina Mosque banned non-muslims from entering because of the Koran (Muslim Holy Book)for good reason that is one of the main reasons this fighting has begun because control over Jerusalem holy capital of our religion we will not be leavin in exile to other countries.
secondly why in the he** would we leave our homeland and live in other neighboorhood countries would that sound right to you ??
thirdly adutltry, gay shi& like that is not allowed in our countrires because its stated in our Koran for good purpose thats why if your gay your dead that does not happen at all because most muslims are faithful in our religion
forthly our religion is more religious than any other
we have the 5 pillars
1). Faith in Allah (God)
2). Pay Charity to less unfournate people
3). Pray 5 times a day
4). Take a trip if you can afford it Allah will forgive you if you are unable to make trip due to finance expenses.
5). Fast in Ramandan (NO FOOD OR WATER from sunrise to sunset based on the full moon
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na85
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:10:35
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OMG the pig-headedness.
I'm having the hardest time biting my e-tongue.
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UnderOath
Wordy Bastard
838 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:15:16
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MoW,
It has been made clear to me and many that religion does not belong on these forums. To for warn you, by posting what you did, you could be putting yourself up for criticism and persecution. In the future I would suggest not doing so.
I too nate, am biting my e-tongue.
Any discussion pertaining to Religion/theological views is to be done in private and away from these forums.
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ListerD
Administrator
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:15:22
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MoW - I will give you one and ONLY one warning: KEEP RELIGION OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION
Now that said, if you want to bring up that a moral basis is taught by religion, OK.
But I do NOT want to hear anything about Muslim persecution... as it has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THIS THREAD. This thread was a spinoff of the original Hitler thread which I had to lock becuase I could see where you were going. And yet, you didn't take the hint and did it here.
Keep this thread in relation to it's orignal thread.
All of you need to keep your facts straight, and if necessary, footnote with any links (VALID URLs from approved educational/historical institutes only! ZERO right wing wacko links will be tolerated).
I have no problem with you guys discussing this, and if anything it should prove educational for all of us. But I do not want any wacko bull**** sneaking in here. If you can not backup your facts, do not post them, without backup they are objective theory/feeling at best.
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Krusty
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:23:42
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grr. why you always gotta lock something after i typed up a paragraph to put in it. So here's a response to a statement that has nothing to do with racism or anti semitism. It has to do with the education system and finding trustworthy sources to reinforce statements.
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we dont have a website concerning this issue secondly this is based between me and professors and my classmates
I believe you stated a while back that you were 15 years old. This would imply that you are still in high school. What this means (at least in the US) is that anybody with a bachelors degree and a passing score on a test can be your high school teacher. And obviously your classmates are only teenagers. So I wouldn't believe a word out of their mouths unless they can show you those numbers written in a book that was written by somebody that has some actual knowledge.
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UnderOath
Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:27:04
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Lister,
It wasnt clear if you were speaking to me or MoW. (MoW, hence the preface of MoW)
If it was directed at me, I apoligize.
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Slayer_Allen
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:30:14
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And around here, my step-father who is a retired Air Force Sergeant, teaches technology and Science at the local Middle School.
And Lister, didn't we already decide that NOTHING was truth and pretty much everything came down to opinion? That means no links? :P, lol, jk.
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Andrid
Wordy Bastard
692 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2004 : 18:59:25
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I say why should they have too [be booted out]?
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Our people have been living in Palestine the same number years as israel around 2,500 yrs i believe we werent muslims yet but we were arabs nonetheless we have the same rights as living in Palestine as you guys your people have humiliated us and the numbers relased on the number of palestines killed since 1948 is wrong secondly we have our third holiest site in the muslim world Al-Aqsa
yes, you have been living there for a long time too. but jews have been living in the other arab nations, so why should they face the discrimination there too? and also the palestinians can return to their own land. it's just that they can't return to the israeli owned part.
bring me one website that shows palestinians being humiliated by the Israeli government for no reason but discrimination.
would u mind quoting the correct number on amount of palestinians killed since 1948 not in wars? also please name the ammount of civilians just going about their daily life that were murdered by israel.
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the whole reason that the intafadia started the fightin between the palestians and the jewsih began is because Prime Minister Ariel Sharahon brought his army to the Al-aqsa with his army and tried to over take the al-aqsa compound and the Al-Aqsa,Mecca Mosque,Medina Mosque banned non-muslims from entering because of the Koran (Muslim Holy Book)for good reason that is one of the main reasons this fighting has begun because control over Jerusalem holy capital of our religion we will not be leavin in exile to other countries.
the whole reason that the intifida started was because arrafat wanted a reason for an attack. ariel sharon (spell his name right please, i don't spell arab arhab) visited the temple mount, one of the jewish holier sites. what that happened with the temple mount is that muslims built their thing on it after they conquered it so now it's also the muslim holy site. the temple mount aka al-aqsa is under control of the arabs, but sharon came during normal visiting hours. he brought with him some policemen. not "his army" (he doesn't have an army.....it's the IDF noone in israel has their own army) to protect him, sort of like the secret service protect the president. this did not start the fighting. what that started the fighting was:
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Imad Falouji, the Palestinian Authority Communications Minister, said at a rally in Lebanon on March 3, 2001,
that the violence had been planned in July, far in advance of Sharon's "provocation." He said:
Whoever thinks that this [war] started as a result of Sharon's despicable visit to Al Aksa is in error. It was planned since Arafat's return from Camp David [where he] firmly stood up to Clinton and rejected the U.S. terms.
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http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_alaqsa_start.php
please give me some websites that aren't right wing extremist whacos like lister said. i've quite a few websites, yet i still have to find one from u.
and would u mind please explaining joseph's tomb to me?
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/joetomb.html
more links
www.standwithus.com
www.standwithuscampus.com --this is the better one, go to flyers and read a couple of them.
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Andrid
Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 19:05:22
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if i have offended you in any of my posts, please tell me and i will change it. i don't want to offend anyone, i just want to write the facts that i know. also i'm sorry for hijacking the hitler thread.
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binker
Tribes Geek
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 19:37:24
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Good.. for a second I thought it was me who fubared the last thread.
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Master of world
Official Forum *****
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 20:32:46
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i am sorry lister about this and all of this religon discussion this wont happen again
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UnderOath
Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 02:29:35
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I still think the subject title is an oxymoron
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talking about racism in a civil way
