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Slayer_Allen
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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 Posted - 01/20/2004 : 19:12:52
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unfortuneatly crazy mother-freakin' psychos dont obey laws
i've seen glocks pulled on kids before (i was not on either end of the gun)
Pics or it didn't happen.
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InsanePsychopath
Noobie! ;)
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Posted - 01/20/2004 : 19:20:08
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Guess it didn't happen then.
i don't carry a camera around(mainly cuz the only cameras i own are huge 300kg pieces of junk)
sorry if i dissapointed you
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Him
Super Noobie! ;)
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Posted - 01/20/2004 : 19:41:02
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Bolingbrook, IL
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PHX-Mouse
Administrator
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Posted - 01/21/2004 : 23:25:46
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I guess I should not say anything about pulling my Sig228 on a 15 year old after they fired on my house with a paintball gun.
Am I leaving out the part about them snapping a 4" mailbox post or 3 weeks of ripping the mailboxes off our posts for about 6 houses? Or the part about putting fireworks in the mailboxes? Or the part about ripping the mailbox off and leaving it on someone else's doorstep, ringing the doorbell and running away? The eggings?
Or the part where the kid was pissing his pants as I had him face down spreadeagle on the ground, and his friends, who got a good look at what was going on and who refuse to walk in front of my house anymore and the kid I busted getting a $150 fine for breaking curfew?
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Him
Super Noobie! ;)
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Posted - 01/21/2004 : 23:35:17
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Mouse is my hero. I think he even chased some kid down the street with a shotgun while in his underwear.
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PHX-Mouse
Administrator
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Posted - 01/21/2004 : 23:37:13
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Nah, that was my friend Randall down the street and that was only after they threw a brick through his sliding glass door at 6:00 am.
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Him
Super Noobie! ;)
171 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2004 : 23:50:26
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Whatever helps you sleep at night Sunny.
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Him
Super Noobie! ;)
171 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2004 : 00:09:52
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Oh., btw you promised you'd bring your SIG in. I'll be in the office tomorrow after my morning client.
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Slayer_Allen
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
2081 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2004 : 14:53:08
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See, imagine if Mouse had been a little more imbalanced than he is. In this case, I'm sure the gun helped the situation. But I can imagine a worse one.
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Him
Super Noobie! ;)
171 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2004 : 16:31:29
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This is a pretty hilarious thing Joe, who also works at Integral, just emailed me.
That is Mouse's head btw.
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Master of world
Official Forum *****
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Posted - 01/22/2004 : 18:13:41
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LOL thats really cool
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PHX-Mouse
Administrator
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 01:05:12
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Actually, I knew exactly what I was doing. I am far from being imbalanced.
I don't think I could snap a 4" square mailbox post, so I knew I was dealing with teens, possibly a gang, working together. In order to completely control the situation and have a chance of catching them in the act (ie, a baseball bat or my 29" Katana wouldn't work because they would just run away) I decided on a Sig 228 9mm, a 2D maglight, my cellphone, and a 6" Gerber Mark I boot knife, and, stretching out beforehand so I was loose. I staked out my yard for 3 weeks, as they were hitting us on Fridays and Saturdays between 9-12 pm. In addition to this, about 8 months before this incident I found myself digging my credit card statements, bills, and christmas cards out of the sewer after it was stolen from my mailbox and dumped 50' away. And just before Christmas, the postmaster returned some mail to me that had been found at the nearby school after it was stolen from my mailbox. Basically, my neighbors and I were fed up with this crap.
I was actually in my house with the front door open (screen door closed) when it was fired upon at 11:40 pm. Knowing the sound of gunfire (and this wasn't it) I figured it was fireworks in the mailbox again. I advanced out of my house, caught one young kid (deer in headlights) in my yard, and another in my neighbors driveway. I think I scared the poop out of them. I didn't have a round in the chamber, but there was a full clip in the magazine. I also didn't have my finger on the trigger, but there's no way they could see that with me shining the maglight right in their eyes.
I also had planned out my rules of engagement beforehand. I have no desire to shoot children, and yet I'm not going to be a sitting duck either, so I decided that I would only fire if fired upon. Having lots of range time, and not panicing while firing, tends to improve your accuracy quite a bit, while they would be firing wildly. I would also have the advantage because they would not be able to see very well with me blinding them with my maglight. Immediately upon securing custody of one of the teens, and having him searched and face down on the cold cold concrete with his arms and legs spread within seconds, I immediately called the police to come deal with the situation. The little monster tried talking his way out of it but I told him to just shut up and tell his story to the cops. Standing behind him, I just holstered my weapon and waited for the cops to show up. In his current position he didn't have a chance of getting away before I was on him with a variety of possible choke-holds or a simple whack.
When the cops did show up (3 squad cars - the kid had claimed he was being shot at, so I told this to the cops. I also told them I thought it was just fireworks and it was quiet now, but I was armed), he was extremely evasive about where he had been, who he was with, what his friends names were, etc. The usual weaseling. They gave him a little ride home, a talk with his parents, and a nice $150 fine for being out after curfew.
Back in the early 90's I used to work out in my front yard with a fully sharpened katana and staff and do forms. I guess they forgot who they were dealing with. I reminded them. No one messes with me anymore. 
Now, regarding the "imbalanced" crack. I am probably one of the most responsible gun owners you will ever meet. I keep my weapons in a safe. I know precisely under which conditions I would use them (in defense of my family and home) and I don't bring them out and wave them around lightly. What was happening in my neighborhood over three weeks was escalating into a full fledged neighborhood war and I wanted to put a stop to it before things got out of hand. The area of town I'm in is a good area, but sometimes folks come over from the bad side of town to cause trouble here. I am a former Red Cross Water Safety instructor and life guard, and I have trained over 100 lifeguards. I do not panic in high stress situations and I am capable of thinking clearly and finding the proper solutions. I do not react emotionally in these situations, but logically. I am a 3rd degree black belt instructor in Tae Kwon Do. I have worked out any aggressive tendencies I might have had a long time ago. And I completely thought through the ramifications of my actions before I acted. This includes knowing the penetration factor of the rounds (glaser safety slugs) I had loaded in my weapon and the fact that my neighbors have 9 children in the three houses next door to me.
My primary goals were to 1) control the situation 2) apprehend them 3) let the cops deal with them. That was it. I had no desire to go shooting off a gun at any time, but I had to ensure that if I was indeed dealing with a gang I had a sufficient level of force available to ensure my personal safety, and to increase the likelihood that they would stop in their tracks when I confronted them.
And, as you already know, the plan worked perfectly.
Interestingly enough, my neighbors have commented how nice and quiet the neighborhood has been lately. 
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Him
Super Noobie! ;)
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 09:46:53
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BS! You're a madman! A MAAADDMAANN!!!
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Krusty
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 13:24:07
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I keep my weapons in a safe. I know precisely under which conditions I would use them
I do believe you have fired upon me in several instances. In some of those instances, you were even on the same team as me.
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the penetration factor of the rounds (glaser safety slugs)
Do you use those for every home defense situation? I know they may have much more killing power when up against fleshy body parts and are relatively safe once they ricochet off (or through) a wall, but I'd be rather afraid of how they may peform when an intruder enters my home and I expect the rounds to penetrate his jacket, his shirt, and his ribcage in order to stop him. A 9mm round isn't exactly the leader in the stopping power department even when it's a lead slug.
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aggie
Tribes Geek
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 15:15:19
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Well done Mouse! Awesome job!
"I was successful because you believed in me"
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Slayer_Allen
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 17:16:06
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I think you misunderstood.
I was in no way making a crack. Well, perhaps one meant in good humor slightly, just because of the way
i said it.
What I was refering to was more of a situation in which an unbalanced person had lived at your house. He brought out the gun thinking he WAS being shot at or something and shot up some kids.
My bad.
Nice story, btw.
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Him
Super Noobie! ;)
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 19:14:39
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Slayer, Mouse just wanted to show off. He knows you're joking but wants to prove you wrong anyway. That's just the way he is...
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PHX-Mouse
Administrator
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 20:30:21
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Hey Krusty!
That was just the loadout I had that day. My usual loadout at home is as follows, in bullet order in the magazine:
Round #
1. 115 grain FMJ, to ensure that I don't stovepipe on the feedramp.
2. 115 grain FMJ, to ensure that I get two clean shots.
3. Winchester STHP silvertip hollowpoint
4. Glaser safety slug
5. Winchester STHP
6. Glaser safety slug
7. 115 grain FMJ
8. Winchester STHP
9. empty (to avoid too much spring compression on the magazine)
10. empty (to avoid too much spring compression on the magazine)
Why this loadout? Some of it is a carry over from one of my older weapons, which used to have a jam problem with rounds getting stuck on the feed ramp. The first two rounds are FMJ to avoid that possiblity, though my SIG228 has *never* jammed. I upgraded a few years ago to the much better Sig because a weapon that doesn't work when you need it is worse than no weapon at all. The Sig 228 is the carry weapon of the Secret Service and the FBI. The next round is if the first two failed to discourage whoever I felt necessary to shoot. A hot Winchester STHP round that expands to about .48 cal is a pretty good way to discourage someone. The next is a Glaser safety slug (nasty nasty things if it hits someone), etc etc. The rounds alternate throughout the magazine to ensure I have a loadout for every situation.
I don't fully load the magazines because if you fully compress the springs in a magazine and leave rounds in for long periods the springs could lose their expansion ability and ability for the magazine to actually push a round up to be chambered, so I leave some leeway. I also alternate magazines from time to time so that a magazine can be left in unloaded state.
You are correct about the limited stopping power of the 9mm, but I think the STHP's and Glasers even things out a bit. I also like target shooting and 9mm ammo is cheaper. In the future, I will be getting a second Sig, possibly a 226 in .40 cal, or a 229 Sport in 357 magnum (which is a blast to shoot!).
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Krusty
Incredibly Wordy Bastard
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 20:49:09
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That loadout sounds a bit better than all safety slugs. Personally, I think it would be better if it started with 3 or 4 safety slugs and finished off with the hollow point rounds or some +P rounds if your gun can take it. The safety slugs, as far as I know, have less powder though so you wouldn't want the cartridge to get stuck in the first few shots.
Haven't used a sig before. I've tried a friends glock (.45 i think), my roommates USP 9mm, and my dads Winchester .357 magnum revolver. I've gotta say that the USP is a beautiful piece of machinery and feels much more comfortable in my hands than the other two. Can't say anything about how dependable it is though since I've only used 100 rounds in it. Anyways, check out a USP if you want something nice. They're damned expensive though.
So what would be your ultimate home defense weapon?
Personally, I'd love to make a .22 cal submachine gun (or large handgun) that is fully automatic and holds like 200 rounds. That way, if the first round doesn't stop them (or hit them) then the following 50 rounds will. Don't think a .22 would have much left in it once it went through a wall either.
EDIT: by the way, mouse, I believe a lot of 10 round mags are actually 15 round mags with a plug in them so you can't load the last 5 rounds. I'm not quite sure how they plug it up, but perhaps you could modify them so they can hold more rounds but only load it with 10 (or just get a 15 round mag off the net). That way the spring won't be so compressed.
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Him
Super Noobie! ;)
171 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2004 : 21:35:27
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The Ultimate Home Self-Defense weapons would be a Nuclear Warhead set off by a motion sensor. That'll teach those intruders.
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