im in the hate department i played a game using it last night and i mean ONLY using it and no armour just in spawn 32 kills and that was heavy sheilds medium sheilds all types of lights i can kill a light in 2 shots i beleive and a medium in about 6 or 7 a heavy is just too easy LOL they are so big and easy to hit its almost sad in spawn armour even i donno maby everyone else likes it but i lost intrest last night after 2 maps and went to hv and then played some arena